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  Killing time during meeting...

  by brunnhilde in

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  i used to balance my checkbook sometimes.

  another favorite was unsticking the pages of a new bible or folding back the dogears of an old one.

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  Vernon Williams

  Hey,

  Welcome to you new posters: glad you are on the board!!

  I ALWAYS paid attention, took notes....I think you guys are naughty and very, very bad association:

  Hope we get to know one another better!

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  New Video by Brother Prince!!!!!A faithful and true Witness....

  by aquagirl in

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  check out this astounding new brother prince video..black sweat...very discreet,id say...its in yahoo music.cant get the link to paste..can anyone help?it would be a great lesson for sunday morning...yum!!!!

  !

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  Vernon Williams

  I have a couple of questions:

  For you guys that have worked in the art department at the WT Headquarters: is this video represenent how the models "get in the mood" for some of the illustrations showing immoral situations?

  The parady video....the guy looked like a young Hitler: I had posted, yesterday that the Nazis and the JWs were similar: just an odd co-incidence.

  If the brothers watched more videos like this before going into a JC meeting perhaps thier lust levels would be satisfied enough so they would not ask such pervy questions. Don't know.....

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  Who masterminded the WT mind control 'routine'? Was it deliberate?

  by Gill in

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  is the wt policy of five meetings a week, daily text, book study prep, book study, thursday meeting prep, thursday meeting, watchtower pre study, public talk, watchtower study, a deliberate ploy to keep the members under mind control?.

  is this 'routine' carefully thought out and planned by someone or did the watchtower society just evolve this way 'accidentally'?.

  is there a 'mastermind' at work aiming to keep jws tightly under mind control and if so , who is it?.

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  I still study older WT literature...much like a lawyer going over contracts.

  I must say this: it is mindless repetition. Over and over and over: like a scene from a Pee Wee Herman movie going over and over and over: never ends. (.....and over....did I mention that, agian?..over and over....Gawd.....)

  Also, the "shaded" meanings of the words: likely, seemingly, probably...somebody posted all these words on a post several weeks ago. Then, they go forward as if it were fact.

  The level of writing...as I said before it would bore an intelligent eighth grader in a few minutes.

  The WT is, still, as we have been saying, a PRINTING company. Notice everything mentioned is IN PRINT. Every way you turn you have something in your hands that is a potential profit maker. Once that is understood, everything falls in place. It is not so much mind control as it is a by product of publishing. Is this wierd or what?

  I am sooooooo thankful to not be wrapped up in that mess, now,

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  And, maybe, it is not too late.

  by nvrgnbk in

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  and it is also time to end the nightmare of slavery to the diseased ideals of mindless growth, rapacious consumption, and the utterly insane notion that unrestrained self-interest ought not be controlled.

  though the fundamental freedom to pursue one's own interests is absolutely vitaleven sacred and must be protectedwe must stop justifying the cruel, unrestrained pursuit of wealth and power.

  we must stop glorifying greed with the now popular lie that unfettered avarice is our best guide down the path of the greatest good for the greatest number!

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  jgnat,

  Just woke up...to groggy to think....I think I liked your response at the top of the thread....good job...I think...

  (Yawn....)

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  The WTS sounds more and more like strickly a business to me.....

  by R.F. in

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  there was yet another disfellowshipping going in my congo announce the other night.

  that makes 6 i believe now, 5 i'm sure of that have been dfed in the past year or so in my congo alone, and they don't seem to be making any effort towards reinstatement.

  i know the reasons behind all those, that's why i know they were dfed and not daed.

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  R. F.,

  True.

  The WT is a business organization and, like all businessess, it must protect the bottom line at all costs.

  This means, first and foremost, keeping the presses rolling as that is where the profit comes from. Second, they need complete control of the distribution system.

  Only the Nazis had this much concern for control, standardization of person, and numerical data.

  Sick, sick bunch.

  Glad you seem to be ok....

  Take care,

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  What do YOU stand for?

  by RollerDave in

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  2. beliefs

  after everything i had ever believed unassailable proved to be as a wisp of smoke in the breeze, i was forced to asnswe that question.. since i no longer stand for the wts, what do i stand for.. my lifetime of misery would be a complete waste if there isn't some positive way to frame it.. i figure, we come into this world kicking, screaming, naked, wet, and cold.

  we have nothing, not even a name.. our name is the first thing we get, and it has no meaning until we provide the context with our lives.. when we die, our name and what it has come to mean is all we can take out of this world with us; he who dies with the most toys still dies and gets no further benefit from his worldy goods.. so, what do we stand for, what shall our name mean.. i have not had the most optimal life, i suppose, periods of submersion in the wts fantasy world interspersed with episodes of incredible violence and deprivation.

  i have both been the victim of harm, and regretably inflicted my fair share of harm as well.. i have made choices so stupid that it was all i could do to set things right and live them down.. i have had a corrupted view of reality while under the spell of the wts that affected me equally whether i was in or out, either way i was damned.. i never expected to live, the big a was just around the corner and there were all these pesky bullets whizzing past my head and a knife in me; but here i was in my thirties with a second chance.. a relatively clean break.. of course, i was now confined to a wheelchair and poor with bad credit, but i was at rock bottom so the only way to go was up.. it could have been worse, i never picked up a criminal record, even though i rightfully deserved one.. what to stand for.... one has to stand for something.

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  Roller,

  This is the first post of yours I have read:

  I don't know who the hell you are but I hope we can have a cup of coffee or (yuk....) a beer sometime togethrer.

  Looking forward to getting to know you better,

  Yours in this Journey,

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  Long time members, how do you cope with so much tragedy on this forum?

  by PEC in

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  i have only been here for six months and i can see why so many people have to leave or at least take breaks from this forum.. what are you doing to cope?

  i want to stay, please help.

  pm me if needed.. philip.

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  I have not been on this board very long. I was on Channel C at Beacon Light for quite a while and we have our own [exiting} site. Why?

  Exiting ministries just suck in comparison to focusing on telling the Good News and participating in the "normal" affairs of spiritual progress in the lives of others. This ministry is different.

  First, a person must understand. ONLY one that has been a JW, lived the life, realized the error, responded to error in truth, been beaten nearly to death by people you thought were of like kind, been ejected, rejected, neglected can grasp what "exiting" is about.

  Next, the feeling of isolation and despair. Families torn apart, the Realization of Lost Opportunity, the torment of having been duped, many, many negative emotions and situations.....you have to have been there....

  Now, you have an angry, dis-appointed person that is bucking like a horse in a blazing barn. They might bolt in any direction..

  Boards like this are, literally, a "God send." A place to begin and continue the healing experience that is possible. Those that exit, all of you/us, are my heros. The ones that minister to this group...going over and over and over the same situations with patience and calm, caring resolve are the super heros. It is exhausting, emotioally draining work.

  So, thanks to all on this board....from the person posting for the first time to the one with the "most" posts. You are all to be commended for your courage, resolve, and love.

  May the Living God through a kind and generous Lord in co-operation with the power of the Spirit bless you and yours,

  Amen.

  Yours in this Journey,

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  This is what I am going to do.

  by GODLOVESME in

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  this sunday at 11.00am i am going to take a jw to a church service at st marks luthern church in yonkers ny.she is 28 years old.

  she was born and raised a jw.

  she has never been in a church in here life and is so brainwashed that she thinks saton lives inside.

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  We started attending an Episcapal Church in Monett: it took me MONTHS to learn to just relax. I was there to celebrate the Lord's Meal. However, this is a "High Church" and they put the Roman Catholics to shame with vestments, orderliness of service, music, incense, etc. Once I "settled down" and as I learned more about the history of the Church I enjoyed the services greatly.

  Have patience with your friend. JWs go to business meetings not worship or praise services. Focus on the love of God not trivial theological ideas. Point out the congregation "passes the plate" in the same way the early Christians did and there is not a profit center in literature that the JWs have.

  Post your results, please.

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  Posting Here: secretly or openly?

  by AllAlongTheWatchtower in

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  just curious, how many of you have to hide the fact that you post here from family?

  i'm especially thinking of those with spouses who are in, while they themselves either never were, faded, dfed/daed, etc but if you are a child hiding it from parents, that applies too.

  if you are posting secretly, how secretive do you have to be?

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  QuietlyLeaving,

  Welcome to the Board!

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  Why label it a cult?

  by rebel8 in

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  what purpose does it serve?

  it just seems to polarize people and ostracize those who aren't ready or willing to label it a cult.

  anyone can look up the dictionary definition of a cult (or experts' definitions).

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  Becaise it is a cult?

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